Q&A with Jolina Petersheim, author of THE OUTCAST

51pCAbkfXZL__SL500_Please welcome author friend Jolina Petersheim to my blog! Almost three years ago when I first joined Twitter, Jolina was one of the first bloggers who reached out to me—I was so honored that someone with a blog I respected and loved so much was interested in following me. Thank you for that Jolina, and thank you so much for taking the time to appear on my blog, especially during this busy time . . . with a debut novel and a new baby—fun and exciting but a lot to do, I’m sure!

GIVEAWAY! Jolina has generously offered to give one lucky commenter a copy of her book! To enter, just leave a comment before midnight EST on Saturday (July 20)!

Aw, Julia, what a pleasure to be here with you today, and to remember how our friendship started with just 140 characters! Whoever said true relationships cannot be built through social media have not met people like you! I will never forget how you mailed a copy of Blueberries for Sal and some precious baby moccasins when I was about to give birth to our baby girl!

I hope your little girl loves Blueberries for Sal, one of my favorites!

I absolutely loved The Outcast. It’s my favorite book of the year. One of the many things I loved about the book was the complexity of the story. Each character and every thread of the story was intricately layered and woven together in deep and meaningful ways. I’m curious if the whole story came to you at once or did it develop as you wrote it? Did you plan it, outline it, and are you a “pantser” or plotter by nature?

I am a mixture of pantser and plotter! (So, I guess that would make me a panter?) Before I began writing The Outcast, I knew that I wanted to retell The Scarlet Letter, but that a medical conundrum would force the illegitimate child’s father to choose between salvaging his pride and saving his son. However, other plot threads wove together on their own volition. Leah, for instance, was never supposed to be the “dark horse” of the story, but a weak-wristed woman who was the counter opposite of her fiery twin, Rachel. Instead, she rose from that sick bed like a phoenix from the ashes and became one of my favorite characters in the book.

Follow on question: can you describe your writing process? I know you’re a new mother—how has this changed your writing habits or preferences? Where do you write?

Before my daughter’s birth, I used to sit in my special chair and write for up to eight hours without stopping except to eat or walk around to get the blood flowing again. This was how I wrote The Outcast in six months. I was expecting our little girl at the time, so I knew that I had to write as fast as I could before welcoming her home!

I signed a two-book contract with Tyndale House when she was twelve weeks old. It wasn’t always easy, for sure, but whenever she was sleeping, I would grab the baby monitor and write on the front porch. I am so grateful to say that I completed my second book, The Midwife, before my deadline. Though I haven’t started edits, it’s now been approved by Tyndale. I could not have written a book within my daughter’s first year of life without the support of my wonderful husband and family!

I must tell you that Nathaniel Hawthorne is just about my all-time favorite writer. Aside from The Scarlet Letter, was there a real life story that was a seed for this book? Is there a “story behind the story”?

Indeed, Julia, there is. Four years ago, a family member told a true story about the power of desire that was left unchecked and how it trickled down through an Old Order Mennonite family, not only affecting that generation, but the generations to come. We were all sitting around the kitchen, and after the person finished speaking, I gasped, “That’s a book!” But I did nothing about it. At the time, I was writing Southern fiction and did not want to surrender to “Amish fiction”—a genre my father always told me I should write.

However, a few years later, I was on the London Underground when a tall, stoop-shouldered man in a black suit stepped on board. My best friend and I recognized him as the person who was friends with the woman who was allowing us to stay in her flat. On the subway, this unsung poet and prophet spoke into my best friend’s life. Then later, on the double decker bus, he spoke into mine. He told me I would give up the manuscript I was currently working on and begin writing again. I didn’t know I would listen, but when I came home, I could not hear anything else. I put my current manuscript in a drawer and began writing a fictionalized version of the story that had been told to me. The unsung prophet of the London Underground is mentioned in the acknowledgements section of The Outcast.

I was very impressed by your medical scenes and descriptions—both the holistic and the conventional. What kind of research did you do during the writing process? And was any of it based on personal experience (I hope not with the really scary stuff!)? It rang so true.

I love everything about the writing process except outlines. Each time I sit down and decide to write an outline, I get bored within five minutes, toss my notebook, and start working on the story instead. It’s the same way with research, but I believe that research is vastly important, so I slough through that with more enthusiasm. The medical aspect of The Outcast was drawn from some of my personal experience, watching my best friend go through a bone marrow transplant five years ago at Vanderbilt Medical Center in Nashville (though Eli in The Outcast receives his in the children’s hospital). My best friend’s transplant took place the summer before I married, and I remember stuffing wedding invitations beside her hospital bed and feeling guilty because I was preparing to begin a whole new life while she was fighting for hers. Thankfully, though, my best friend’s transplant was successful. My hearts soars to share that I joyfully sobbed, watching as she married my English major chum last summer, and that she is officially in remission!

What other types of research did you do for the book?

I asked my mother questions, who then recalled interactions with my Old Order Mennonite great-grandmother Verna Grove. I read books about my Anabaptist heritage and genealogy, like The David and Anna Miller Story. Or I asked my mother-in-law questions, whose father was kicked out of the Amish church at seventeen. I am blessed to have an oral history around me. It sure beats Google any day!

You’ve written of your own upbringing, that the Plain people are your people. This was the first book I’ve read about Plain communities, and I must say it was something I really loved. How did your childhood experiences make it easier or more difficult to write this story? Were there things that were hard for you to write about? Were you ever worried about how the story might be perceived by friends or relatives?

I believe my childhood experiences made it easier to write The Outcast. Without having firsthand knowledge of the intricacies of an Old Order Mennonite community, I would not know that Gentle People are not a utopian society, but struggle with sin as much as the Englisch. I believe this is something that is overlooked in most “bonnet fiction” and one of the very reasons Tyndale House is launching The Outcast (their first Amish fiction in fifty years of publishing) and my agent, Wes Yoder (who represents mostly nonfiction), agreed to represent me.

Thus far, I have received only support and love from my family and friends. Those who have been shunned from their communities have also reached out to share how The Outcast has touched—and, in one instance, even healed—their lives. I am so very grateful.

As a writer, I generally have a vision in my mind of who a character “is” and what he or she looks like—sometimes I take photos of people and/or cut out pictures from magazines or print them from the internet. I wonder if you had “models” in mind for each character? Or, if you were to name an actor or actress to play their parts, who they might be?

Another book reviewer, Book-alicious Mama, recently asked me the same thing! It actually inspired some pins to my Pinterest board.

  • Kathy Bates as Ida Mae Speck
  • Young Daniel Day-Lewis as Bishop Tobias King
  • Donald Sutherland cast as the deceased bishop of Copper Creek, Amos King
  • Eddie Redmayne (Marius from Les Miserables) cast as Judah King
  • Jennifer Lawrence in Winter’s Bone cast as the twins, Rachel and Leah

But if anyone has any more suggestions, I’d love to hear those as well!

WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT! I really like that Rachel and Leah are twins and that Tobias and Judah are brothers with such a wide age difference. I also very much like the names you chose. Can you talk a bit about how you chose the names, the significance, if any? And also, why did you choose to have Rachel and Leah be twins and have such a wide age range between Tobias and Judah?

Thank you! I enjoyed the biblical allusions and sense of competition, however subtle, that was immediately created by naming my main characters Rachel and Leah. Tobias King sounded harsh on the tongue, whereas Judah was softer—reflecting their different natures. Amos King, their deceased father, was actually named in memory of my husband’s grandfather, Amos Stoltzfus, who was kicked out of the Amish church when he was seventeen years old.

Initially, Rachel and Leah needed to be twins for the medical twist in the plot structure. However, the deeper I got into the story, the more I understood the significance of Rachel and Leah being twins and how they both reflected and countered each other’s strengths throughout their lives.

My brothers are fifteen years apart (I’m in between them), and I’ve always been intrigued by that age gap and how it can make a sibling more like a father figure than a brother. This was important for how Tobias looks down on Judah, mollycoddles him in a way. It isn’t until Judah breaks away from the community and from his brother that he is able to find out who he truly is.

Don’t forget to leave a comment to enter the drawing for Jolina’s wonderful book!


tnJolina Petersheim holds degrees in English and communication Arts from the University of the Cumberlands. Though The Outcast is her first novel, her writing has been featured in venues as varied as radio programs, nonfiction books, and numerous online and print publications. Her website is syndicated with The Tennessean’s “On Nashville” blog roll, as well as featured on other creative writing sites. Jolina and her husband share the same unique Amish and Mennonite heritage that originated in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, but now live in the mountains of Tennessee with their young daughter.


  1. I suppose a “panter” is better than a “plotster”! Congratulations on your book and baby! Oh boy, what I wouldn’t do for a London Underground prophet… Love the Pinterest board – great idea! Good luck to you, Jolina, and thanks Julia for this wonderful interview!

  2. Am still chomping at the bit to read, Jolina, especially after such glowing reviews as these (you know it’s on deck this month!). I love that you wove a new story around a timeless classic – but moreso that you did it AS you introduce readers to a culture right here in the US with which many aren’t familiar.

    And I love that ah-ha moment you had when you heard the story told to you. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said to MY mom: “That’s a book! Tell me more.” I think those stories rooted in history often make for the most compelling fiction.

    • Love this quote, Melissa: “I think those stories rooted in history often make for the most compelling fiction.” I would like to add to this that those stories rooted in our OWN life history make for compelling fiction, too. I honestly always thought that writing about my heritage was beneath me; so glad I woke up and realized that I just needed to go about it differently by portraying that Plain life is not a Utopian society. 🙂

  3. Erika Marks says:

    Jolina and Julia–I love that you are here together and we get to listen in on your wonderful conversation! It has been such a pleasure sharing in your publishing journey, Jolina–not to mention your parenting one!:) THE OUTCAST is on my list and I have very high hopes that our paths will cross eventually! In the meantime, I wish you all the success in the world with this novel and you speak such truth to say without the support of our families, none of our writing could be possible. Big hugs to all of you!!!

    • Thank you so much, dear Erika; your kind words touch me deeply. I feel so blessed to have been accepted and supported by writers such as you, Julia, and Melissa. I do not take that for granted! And, yes! All of this would be impossible without the support of our loved ones. Especially since my precious daughter’s birth! Xo

  4. Fascinating subject. Sounds like a great book!

  5. Cheryl Baranski says:

    I haven’t had the pleasure of reading Jolina’s books. I just recently discovered her as an offer.
    Would so love to win her book The OUTCAST! I am a book junkie!

  6. Thank you for sharing, Julia; you’re the BEST!

  7. Cynthia Robertson says:

    I LOVED this book. Already read it, so I don’t need to be included in the giveaway, Julia.
    Could totally see K. Bates as Ida Mae, Jolina!

    • Oh, Cynthia, I think your reading taste is superb, so I am deeply honored by your recommendation. And, yes, Kathy Bates IS Ida Mae. I wasn’t even thinking of Kathy when I wrote Ida Mae’s character, but it’s perfect! 🙂

  8. Suzy says:

    I want to read The Outcast. Love books that tell the classics in a new way.

  9. Kate G says:

    This sounds like a wonderful, thoughtful and interesting book! I am definitely interested in reading it. Also, what a great interview!

  10. Jolina — congratulations on the birth of both of your babies. I often think I don’t have time to devote to my longer works. You make me feel a bit red-faced. Look forward to learning more about Outcast.

  11. Oh man… hoping it’s not too late for this giveaway! Love the premise of this book– it’s going on my “To Read” list!

    • Julia Munroe Martin says:

      No, Roseanne, you are not too late! Thank you so much for your comment and for your visit to my blog. I think you’ll love Jolina’s book — it’s wonderful! Thanks again for your visit to my blog. Julia


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